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Published on January 11th, 2015 | by Jaycen Saab

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Moore Confusion: What To Think About Beth Moore

While I would not necessarily come out and call Mrs. Moore a false teacher or heretic, there is enough of her teaching that should warrant concern from a pastor regarding his flock or a husband guarding his wife.

Any time someone ascends to the ranks of stardom on the Christian stage, they will by nature come under a microscope by both supporters and detractors alike.  Some will fire away with baseless, unsupported accusations, and equally dangerous, others will mindlessly follow along without any discernment because some religious authority in their life or church approves.  God’s word instructs every believer to be like the Bereans and “examine the scriptures” (Acts 17:11).  In other words, whenever sitting under teaching of God’s word, always check to see that it lines up with scripture.

Beth Moore is such a teacher that I’ve come to see gaining more and more popularity.  Let me say from the beginning, I’m thankful for someone such as Mrs. Moore who God would bless with the ability to teach and who would devote her life to teaching God’s word to women.  I first heard of her at my former church which promoted her conferences to the congregation.  And why wouldn’t they?  As a Southern Baptist Church (SBC), they heavily rely on the SBC publishing arm, LifeWay.  And it doesn’t take one long while browsing LifeWay’s website to see that there’s quite a lucrative relationship to be had with Beth Moore and LifeWay Publishing.

Additionally, I have noticed some very dear brothers in Christ recently giving her even more credence by re-posting her recent post “It’s Hunting Season for Heretics” on their social media pages.  It’s my prayer that this information will cause them to reconsider.

Though there is a place and time for polemic preaching (preaching that is a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something), the masses of unbelievers will never be won to Christ by doing so.  Yet, we must consider that the majority of Paul’s writings addressed false teachers.  Additionally, we should not shrink away from calling out the wolves in our midst.  Romans 16:17-19 is clear:

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
Romans 16:17-19 KJV  (emphasis added)

There are many other verses (Matthew 24:24, 2 Peter 2:1, 1 John 4:1), we can get a good idea of what to do with such individuals.  The Apostle Paul says to “mark them” (from the Greek word ‘skopos’ meaning to “take aim at”) because they teach a contrary doctrine.  And then “avoid them”.

*****Now before we go further, I want to clarify something.  Charging someone with being a “false teacher” or (especially) “heretic” is not something to be done from the hip and on a whim because you’ve watched a couple YouTube videos.  When possible that person should be approached in love directly.  Sadly, however, many of the “Christian Rock Stars” are untouchable with layer upon layer of people guarding them.  I know because I’ve tried, but that’s another story. (For example, Matt Slick of Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM) who carries a whole lot more weight than any of us here at the WV4G has a request over 3 yrs. old yet to be responded to by Joyce Meyer)*****

While I would not necessarily come out and call Mrs. Moore a false teacher or heretic, there is enough of her teaching that should warrant concern from a pastor regarding his flock or a husband guarding his wife (the latter is myself).  CARM.org has a very comprehensive write-up on Mrs. Moore that you can view here.  I would instead like to point to a few things in summary and then show the biggest concern that has arose recently regarding Beth Moore.

Though her plan to salvation (titled “Looking for Peace with God”) on her website is thin on the weightiness of sin that drives a person to the cross of Christ, it is not the biggest concern (especially since this should be done regularly from the pulpit by responsible men called pastors).  The concern with her begins with how she exegetes Scripture.  Anyone exercising the position of a Bible teacher should have this nailed down.  Granted, this does not mean there will never be any mistakes, man at his core is a fallible creature.  Yet, repeated distortions of Scripture apart from traditional interpretations and the masses of responsible scholars should cause a concern.  Many of her teachings take Scriptures out of their context and assign them meaning to accommodate her teaching lessons (find them here under Exegetical Errors section).

Even more concern arises when one considers Mrs. Moore’s view on other teachings that are opposed to Scripture.  One such teaching is something known as “contemplative prayer” (detailed information here). In short, a person “centers” themselves focusing on a word repeating over and over to clear their mind so they can hear God’s voice.  Though it sounds innocent, it’s the opposite of what the Bible tells us.  We’re told to pray with our minds (1 Corinthians 14:15).  In fact, Romans 12:2 tells us to renew our mind, not empty it!  This is a gateway practice for mysticism in the church.

Another concern is Mrs. Moore’s repeated “visions” and “revelations” from God which are also problematic (a thorough reading here).  Again, as a responsible Bible teacher, it should go without saying that one needs to realize words have meanings.  When one says, “God told me…” or “I heard God say…” it is very possible that one may mean that through the Holy Spirit, God has impressed something upon our hearts (2 Corinthians 1:22).  I get that.  Yet, in the English vernacular, “told” and “heard” have audible meanings.  You may think I’m just picking here, but I’m speaking from experience.  As a new believer at a church we attended years ago, this irresponsible speech caused a major stumbling block for my wife (and other believers I’ve spoken to over the years).  She doubted her faith and ultimately God as she didn’t “hear” Him talking to her as often (supposedly) as many folks, including the pastor did.  Every Sunday, “God told me…” this or “I heard God say…” that.  Not only is this harmful to new converts, it also leads to and logically progresses to the false idea of extra-Biblical revelation.  Our Canon is closed.  Why do you think your Bible is bound with glue and not a 3-ring binder? 🙂

Finally, this all leads to my final and most serious concern with Beth Moore.  And with this one, I would call it a charge against her.  A recent YouTube video (see below) shows what appears to be a joining of Mrs. Moore to one of the most well-known false teachers in the circus known as TBN today, false teacher Joyce Meyer.  Yes, you read that correctly.  Watching the clip, Mrs. Moore is more than agreeable with Joyce Meyer.  And most dangerously, Mrs. Moore promotes unity with such a wolf.

Friend, before you close this page and consider me extreme and over-protective, let’s quickly look at what Joyce Meyer teaches.  As you read each one of these, consider this is who Beth Moore is promoting unity with.  Joyce Meyer teaches (actual links to sound and video clips here):

  • Jesus stopped being the Son of God
  • Jesus was born again
  • Jesus paid for our sins in hell
  • Jesus went to hell and was tormented
  • If you don’t believe Jesus went to hell, you cannot be saved
  • We are little gods
  • She does not consider herself a sinner
  • She gets special revelations from God

Now if I was a betting man, (though I’m not) I’d wager that Beth Moore would rebuke such heresy, and rightly so.  These are not simple differences like tongues or no tongues, baptism by sprinkle or dunk — NO, these are matters to do with who Christ is and what He’s done!!  Contrary to Mrs. Moore’s amicable attempt at peace, we are to “take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them” (Ephesians 5:11).  By appearing with such a false teacher, Mrs. Moore has opened the door for Joyce Meyer into otherwise Biblically-sound circles and churches.

I pray that Mrs. Moore would renounce her apparent partnership with such a person as Joyce Meyer.

I pray that Mrs. Moore would understand that a teacher of such heresy is not a “sister in Christ” who we should seek unity with.

I pray that Mrs. Moore would use her love of Scripture to compare and see how contrary Joyce Meyer’s teachings are to it.

I pray that Joyce Meyer would publicly renounce such teachings and admit their error and be restored to a responsible teacher if it be God’s will.

I pray for brothers in Christ who shepherd flocks (especially within the Southern Baptist Convention) to be aware and prayerfully watchful over their flocks regarding this free pass Beth Moore has given to a dangerous teacher such as Joyce Meyer.

I pray this all happens before it’s too late.

Soli Deo Gloria,

JS

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- Follower of Christ Jesus, husband, father, street preacher, worship leader. I live to see Christ glorified and the Gospel reawakened to be heard above the static, white-noise of false teachings like "word faith" or the "prosperity gospel." My greatest passion is to chase Christ no matter the cost. (MATT 11:12)



  • Katherine Hempel

    There is a reason we are given the gift of discernment. When you spend the first 2/3 of an article pronouncing your own conclusions, making innuendo, “setting the stage” that only your own discernment research, conclusions and proclamations carry weight: you say more about yourself than anything that follows. I do not agree with everything anyone says…including, eventually, myself

    • Katherine,
      Thanks for stopping by and your comments. Pointing out such things as in this piece is never easy, nor a pleasant thing to do. I promise it was not written off the cuff and on a whim.

      That said, I would like to clarify that I’m not “pronouncing my own conclusions” as you indicated. The information I’ve put forth has been documented in other places (you may follow the links) and I did not wish to republish information that was already available from reputable sources.

      The Bible verses mentioned are more than adequate to allow for bringing such concerns forward. Though I could have spent more time with even more specificity regarding Mrs. Moore’s poor exegete of Scripture, the most potentially damaging thing she is doing comes by way of endorsing Joyce Meyer. I make no apology whatsoever for this. Mrs. Meyer’s teachings on Christ’s atonement are blasphemous at best. Ironically, they are in stark opposition with the irreconcilable beliefs that Mrs. Moore’s denomination (SBC) and Bible believing Christians stand on. (Not to mention the idea that Mrs. Meyer considers herself a “pastor”, but that’s another topic unto itself).

      By this perceived approval, Mrs. Moore is allowing a back door into otherwise Biblically sound churches to someone such as Joyce Meyer and it is dangerous. I personally know of no SBC brother who shepherds a flock who would allow such heretical teachings as Joyce Meyer’s in to their churches. Yet, Mrs. Moore may do just that with her poorly thought out affiliation with Mrs. Meyer.

      Soli Deo Gloria,

      JS

      • Katherine Hempel

        In this human form of ours, truth is always a 3 perception thing. Yours, mine and God’s. That is why dualism is so inadequate. It will keep the first two arguing, defending very human individual positions, dogmas and personal interpretations and in the end, excluding God, even as each says they are doing so in God’s name.

        Thus even when using what you as an individual may call “reputable sources” these sources have been chosen by the individual quoting, and more often chosen because they validate their own view, and so all of our summary conclusions truly end up being at best (and I am not saying necessarily either right or wrong) the individual’s own conclusion.

        My objection comes when such conclusions are used to introduce what is in fact a prejudice against some other person or perception. Note I neither agree or disagree with your position, only your delivery.

        I don’t ask you to apologize for your personal position on any person or position…and that you feel you have to state that you do not apologize, does seem to indicate a certain defensiveness and self-righteous ego response to my gut reaction.

        One notes that within SBC itself, there is a great differing of opinion on atonement, and so to state anyone’s opinion/teaching on the subject is so definitively “blasphemous” does fall into the definition of judgement by one human on another,

        Lastly, one could be forgiven for thinking your view is a bit misogynistic, when you speak of “knowing no SBC brother who shepherds a flock.” One might ask if a great deal of your distaste for these other teachers and writers, both women, has more to do with some belief, conscious or unconscious, that disallows for women being of any value or even called to such positions in ministry, even or perhaps especially, in the SBC?

        Jesus called us all to be one church. What bothers me is that public positions such as yours do much more to keep us from that goal, than to unite us under His leadership.

        This appears a thinly veiled attack against two “others.” You will no doubt have those that will agree with you or follow your lead blindly and to me that is very sad and just as dangerous as you believe the ‘others’ to be.

        You seem a reasonably intelligent person, whom I might give ear to if you were offering your beliefs in a non-dualistic manner and without feeling the need for judgement and condemning of your peers.

        The reason I thought it was important to respond after this was sent to me by a friend who wanted my opinion, having prayed deeply, viewed your links (many taken out of context as so many defensive offerings often are) and write this second note (again having taken time to pray and meditate before replying) is that I wanted to answer my friend the best I could without “talking behind your back.”

        We will need to agree to disagree. I will pray for you, and hope you will do the same, without prejudice. Be blessed with His truth.

        • Katherine,

          Again, thank you for your pleasant tone and continued discussion. It is enjoyable to be able to respectfully disagree with a sister in Christ. And thank you for your prayers, I’ll take all I can get and will pray for you as well I will try and offer some additional dialogue for clarification…

          First, let me begin by re-emphasizing two things I stated in the article that may have been lost when discussing a sensitive topic such as this one. 1) I am truly thankful that God would gift folks, such as Beth Moore, with a desire to teach and the ability to do so. This world is in need of Bible teachers who can rightfully divide the word. 2) I want to make it clear that I did NOT label Beth Moore a false teacher, nor do I believe her to be teaching heresy. Ergo, I am not “prejudice against some other person” as you mentioned. My hope is for Beth Moore to succeed in teaching women in the manner of other such teachers such as Kay Arthur.

          Second, and perhaps more importantly is your view of the SBC and atonement. Such considerations are at the heart of this article (see Joyce Meyer’s blasphemous teachings on it). The SBC is very clear on their position of atonement (from Scripture). This is non-negotiable (as it should be in Bible-believing Christian circles). It concludes with such definitions as,

          “Christ himself willingly submitted to the just penalty which we deserved, receiving it on our behalf and in our place so that we will not have to bear it ourselves.”

          and…

          “In His doing this for us, in His taking to Himself—to fulfil all righteousness—our accusation and condemnation and punishment, in His suffering in our place and for us,
          there came to pass our reconciliation with God.”

          (You can find more information at http://www.sbts.edu/resources/files/2010/07/sbjt_112_sum07revised-allison.pdf and at http://www.sbts.edu/media/publications/sbjt/SBJT_2007Summer5.pdf )

          We have a way back into the presence of God because of the work done on the cross. And that work was Christ bearing the full weight of God’s wrath (Isaiah 53:10). This is not even close to Meyer’s teachings of “demons beating Jesus up”. Furthermore, when the “Great Exchange”, as the great Martin Luther refers to it, occurred, when Christ’s righteousness was imputed upon us, our sin was imputed upon Him. He did NOT become a sinner, but was treated as one. Again, this is antithetical to Mrs. Meyer’s teaching that “Jesus became a sinner” and “was the first reborn”. That is not conjecture, that is not my interpretation, that is not my opinion, that is IN FACT what Meyer teaches.

          It is for that reason, along with the extra-Biblical revelation, that Meyer is not to be trusted. What makes it difficult is like other false teachers (Hinn, Osteen, Dollar, Long, Copeland, Jakes, etc.), to point them out is like trying to nail Jell-O to a wall. They will say some things that are absolutely true. So when someone who lacks discernment or pastoral guidance follows them hook, line, and sinker, they key on the one or two truths they’ve heard blind to the dangerous and damning doctrines that have far more implications.

          Sadly, Beth Moore has opened the back door to the church for Meyer and others by appearing on her shows and calling for unity. Again, light as no fellowship with darkness.

          As stated in the article, someone who makes a living as only using polemic preaching will likely not win anyone to Christ and keep arguments stirred up. The purpose for me writing this was simply to raise the warning flag that there are some things (manipulative exegete, extra-Biblical revelation, mystic-driven contemplative prayer, and the free pass for a wolf) that should cause pastors to seek the Lord in prayer and His guidance (not mine) in considering what is coming into the church. And again, these are evident in her teachings still available for purchase. Many women have remarked to me how her teaching as changed as her popularity has grown.

          (On a side note, it is very disturbing that since Beth Moore has been called out on such things, the links to said video clips have coincidentally disappeared from YouTube.)

          Lastly, I did catch a misconception in your tone with your question, “One might ask if a great deal of your distaste for these other teachers and writers, both women, has more to do with some belief, conscious or unconscious, that disallows for women being of any value or even called to such positions in ministry, even or perhaps especially, in the SBC?”

          Let me plainly admit I am a complementarian. I believe God has made man and woman beautifully different and beautifully equipped each for His work. And that man and woman are beautifully equal. However, I do not confuse equality with egality. We can be different and still equal. From experience, I can confidently say the SBC greatly values women and their contributions.

          Additionally, I unashamedly hold to the Danvers Statement that summarizes the core beliefs of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood found here: http://cbmw.org/core-beliefs/

          There are plenty of areas in ministry where women are needed. Admittedly women are by and large under-appreciated and under-utilized in the church today. However, the position of pastor/elder (same word in the Greek) is not one for them according to Scripture (1 Tim. 2:12-14). Though that is unpopular in today’s culture, it is indeed Biblical.

          In summary, I do not have an ax to grind against Mrs. Moore. But to sit and remain silent on such matters would be irresponsible. Though you may not like my style or approach, my shortcomings as a fallible man do not negate the truth of Scripture. Honestly, I could have done without the ire I’ve drawn from some and the wounds I’ve taken this week since it was posted from others. Yet, the overwhelming conviction, love for the brethren, and love for God’s word would not allow me to remain quiet as the tipping point was the approval of Joyce Meyer. The overwhelming response from others way more seasoned in the faith than I have served as a salve for those lashes and confirmation.

          I understand your concern for unity and can see your implication that this type of writing only invites division. Yet to discount the call for discernment when such teachings are exposed would be equivalent to disregarding the majority of Scripture that the Apostle Paul wrote, as the majority of his writings addressed false teachers. Ironically, I’ve been called out by a few for not speaking strong enough, as there is plenty of Scripture to do so. To best express my feelings, I’ll leave you with a quote…

          “A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God’s truth is attacked and yet would remain silent.” – John Calvin

          Soli Deo Gloria,

          JS

          • Katherine Hempel

            Well we will still disagree but as you say respectfully. In closing I would point out that Paul taught others to be discerning…not sure he seemed to spend a lot if time naming specific individuals…again far more non-dualism is needed….one to one with loving inquiry seems to first be called for. Begs the question have you ever had any personal, non-confrontational conversation with Joyce Meyer? Did you speak directly with Beth Moore before going public?

            Rhetoric is usually just that and very easy in this cyber world. I still say judge not. I do not for a moment believe all who learn much from these women are mindless sheep…I will continue to worry about your terse stance which excludes much of scripture, but be assured my prayers stand. Note that sometime one can express their own view, trusting scripture, prayer and the Holy Spirit to guide without name calling of anyone. Perhaps you could spend some quiet time praying about these conversations and ask God for his direct input. No quotes or “evidence of others” again much taken out of context surpasses that.

            I have lived a long time…with much personal experience with God’s Grace and miracles…we all need to remain open to continued growth. May you find some of the uncertainty that leads to that Jaycen. God keep you and yours in His Grace and may you continually accept that the final word will be His.

  • Susan McCurdy

    Thank you for this post. Truth in love. I appreciate it.

    • You are welcome. Please continue to pray for all involved.

      Soli Deo Gloria!

      JS

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  • Sherryl Lynch

    Thank you for this article. I completely agree with you. I have just left a bible study group due to this. I humbly approached the leader of the group about my concerns, many of them stated in this article, and she refused to listen. I cannot and will not sit under the teaching of Beth Moore. I pray that God will give her followers wisdom and discernment and open their eyes so that they might see the truth.

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  • Stan

    What is going to clear up any error is study. We are instructed to study the word, rightly divided, to show ourselves approved unto God. The church the body of Christ in this dispensation of the grace of God. Joyce and Beth both need to be taught how to rightly divide scripture and study and neither one of them should be teaching anything at all to anyone at anytime. Both pathetic and need to sit down and be quiet!!!! God is not talking to either one and the attraction is wanting the material things and the attention. I don’t have a problem telling them, hey sit down and shut up!!!

  • Trent

    Beth Moore is radically ecumenical and a compromiser. She also teaches a mix Sunday school class which is forbidden in scripture 1 Tim 2:12. Your article was good as far is it goes, it just didn’t go far enough.

    Trent
    http://www.twoedgedsword.org

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